Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1974-10-20
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- Publication date
- 1974-10-20 ( check for other copies)
- Topics
- Soundboard, Alligator, GEMS
- Collection
- GratefulDead
- Band/Artist
- Grateful Dead
- Resource
- DeadLists Project
This show has been commercially released as "Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack"
Cold Rain And Snow
Mama Tried
Deal
Beat It On Down The Line
Loser
Jack Straw
Tennessee Jed
El Paso
Brokedown Palace
China Cat Sunflower ->
I Know You Rider
Around And Around
Set 2
Playing In The Band ->
Drums ->
Not Fade Away ->
The Other One Jam ->
Drums ->
The Other One ->
Wharf Rat ->
Playing In The Band
Set 3
Good Lovin'
It Must Have Been The Roses
The Promised Land
Eyes Of The World ->
Slipknot! ->
Stella Blue ->
Sugar Magnolia
Encore
Johnny B. Goode
Encore Two
Mississippi Half Step ->
Bid You Goodnight
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Compilations - Other albums which feature this performance of the song
Covers - Performances of a song with the same name by different artists
Song Title | Versions | Compilations | Covers |
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Cold Rain and Snow | |||
Mama Tried | |||
Deal | |||
Beat It On Down The Line | |||
Loser | |||
Jack Straw | |||
Tennessee Jed | |||
El Paso | |||
Brokedown Palace | |||
China Cat Sunflower > | |||
I Know You Rider | |||
Around and Around | |||
Playin' In The Band > | |||
Drums > | |||
Not Fade Away > | |||
Not Fade Away (2) > | |||
Drums > | |||
The Other One > | |||
Wharf Rat > | |||
Playin' In The Band | |||
Good Lovin' | |||
It Must Have Been The Roses | |||
The Promised Land | |||
Eyes Of The World > | |||
Stella Blue | |||
Sugar Magnolia | |||
Johnny B. Goode | |||
Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo > | |||
And We Bid You Good Night |
Notes
Notes - *w/Mickey Hart
This is a nice upgrade and is complete as compared to previously circulated copies of this show. The Not Fade away was accidentally split into two tracks with CD Wave and was not noticed at the time. I do not have the software to put it back together.
- Addeddate
- 2008-09-29 14:01:40
- Identifier
- gd1974-10-20.sbd.alligator.GEMS.94851.flac16
- Lineage
- Master Reel>DAT>3x>Delta DiO 2496>Soundforge 7.0>WAV>cdwave>FLAC
- Location
- San Francisco, CA
- Post_text
- This show has been commercially released as "Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack"
- Run time
- 205:56.38
- Transferred by
- Alligator
- Type
- sound
- Venue
- Winterland Arena
- Year
- 1974
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Reviews
Subject: Extra Crispy
Subject: Potential last-ever show, Mickey guests & big party
More of a big party than a technically-great performance (the first half of the run is better), but you can't beat the set list - the show lasted 6 hours (with set breaks and Seastones) and featured almost everything they played in '74. Billy writes in his book that "the thinking was that if this really was the last Grateful Dead concert, Mickey should participate. I was NOT cool with that. At all. I enjoyed being the only drummer and I didn’t want that to change. I got territorial about it. Mickey didn’t know the new material and we hadn’t rehearsed or played with him in years, so I didn’t think it could be any good — and it wasn’t, that night." I don't agree that it wasn't any good - though it's just an average '74 show. I'd say "more fun to be there than to listen back today" but not with all the attendees complaining about severe heat discomfort. Like all of '74 there are strong highlights, though the actual closing of Winterland ('78) is a better run than the faux-closing.
First Set. Playing his Rhodes for this show, Keith pwns the Cold Rain & Snow, which is the version on Steal Your Face. Things go awry on a sloppy Mama Tried through Beat it on Down the Line-5, not improving until halfway through Tennessee Jed (supposedly the whole place was very gilled). Jer perks up and the crowd responds. The first song not meh for '74 is El Paso, in a somewhat hard rock version, but the momentum is lost with a stinker of a Brokedown. Turning everything around, the band spits out a concentrated China>Rider. The 17th has the best of the run but this one has Jer doing little half-step walk-ups. The last one until the NYE run '77 (it was teased a few times in '76), it has the final Feelin' Groovy segue. The Rider is slightly down-tempo but by-the-gods is Keith is good here and Jer inverts some of his standby fingerings. The set has its own encore in a little-too-practiced sounding Around & Around, the version familiar from the unfairly maligned SYF. They have all mentioned being a little too weirded out this night - which was one of the reasons for wanting to play the Great American show during the hiatus of '75.
Second Set. The entire set is on Movie Soundtrack and is known for Mickey showing up with his drum kit (after having left the band in Portchester in '71). Problem is, he hadn't practiced with them and the result is shoes-in-the-dryer. The set's a giant Playin' sandwich but it's average fare except for a perfect Wharf Rat.
Third Set (not counting Seastones). Things motor along in typical '74 fashion though Stella is notable (it's on SYF). After that the drummers are out of sync. The Johnnny B Goode is on Movie but part of the first solo is edited and the entire second solo is removed! The Half-step is the money shot where it all comes together. By the time they sobered they were probably too tired. Shit, they played almost the entire '74 catalog. One of those shows that was probably more fun to attend, than in posterity in your bedsit. Not bad, but not tops for '74.
1st Set: C+
2nd Set: C+
3rd Set: C
Overall = 3 Stars
Highlights:
China>Rider - final Feelin' Groovy and intricate steps
Around & Around - they're a rock band
Wharf Rat - close to perfect version
Mississippi Half-Step - falls together
Run:
10/16 - B-
10/17 - B
10/18 - B-
10/19 - C+
SOURCES: The alligator.GEMS sounds best to me. The Finney SBD runs too fast in several places and others are too slow/muddy. There's a cut in all sources of Must Have Been Roses which the Finney smooths (the one on SYF uses the 17th instead). The third set is usually on youtube. Four tracks are on Steal Your Face and 9½ are on Movie Soundtrack. SYF is far from a best-of-'74 but, though jamless, not bad either, and contained quintessential versions (albeit by default) with which we grew up.
Subject: let's be frank
Beyond dispute, the second set is the last set the band ever played where it's abundantly clear that the music is playing the band and, in a non-programmed fashion, it's taking them to some very strange places and also some very awesome places. Terrifying and sublime. Turn it up fucking loud and commit yourself for 50 minutes. You won't regret it.
Subject: Hmmm...
I do find it amusing that Bobby sings "Gen-e-see, Gen-e-see" at one point during Jed. Think he was thirsty for a beer ?
Subject: The Grateful Dead, soaring transcendingly
Subject: Ditto
Subject: Pity
Subject: this is YUMMIE!!!! :)
Subject: This is some GOOD STUFF here!
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